Posts by Pete Zahut

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Providing salvation is not that important

by pixel in

the washtowel has a crazy obsession with diminishing the important of jesus' sacrifice for humankind.

i find this so antichristian.

i mean, how can you ignore scriptures like john 3:16?.

Pete Zahut

Pete Zahut - No JW thinks of Jesus' agony as physical punishment suffered vicariously for what they deserve for the things they do wrong every day.
Ask a JW why Jesus died and they will pontificate about Adam.

I disagree....

I don't know about "pontificating" but if you ask a JW why Jesus died, they will tell you that he died as a ransom sacrifice to buy back the life that Adam lost for all mankind. They believe that each of us has inherited sin from Adam and Jesus sacrifice covers that however they also believe that if they continually choose to willingly sin and think that they can just expect to be forgiven, they are greatly mistaken. They do not take the agony that Jesus went through, lightly. They don't condone a sin during the week and ask for forgiveness on Sunday type of attitude.

P.S. I'm not a fan of the Watchtower organization either but I think we should be accurate about the claims we make and we need to avoid condemn everything they say and do just because we're angry at them.

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Providing salvation is not that important

by pixel in

the washtowel has a crazy obsession with diminishing the important of jesus' sacrifice for humankind.

i find this so antichristian.

i mean, how can you ignore scriptures like john 3:16?.

Pete Zahut

According to any Christian Jesus died for their sins. According to any JW Jesus died for Adam's sin.

Who knows if anything in the Bible is true or actually happened? However for arguments sake, JW's believe Jesus death or ransom sacrifice was intended to buy back the life Adam and Eve lost for us, (their descendants) who inherited their sin.

It's a case of which came first....the chicken or the egg?

Adam and Eve's disobedience was the reason that the sacrifice had to take place and they are the reason we inherited sin and why we need Jesus sacrifice. He could have said "no way" but instead because of his "undeserved kindness" he allowed for this provision.

JW's believe Jesus died for both Adam's sin and their own inherited sin. But...they believe Jehovah is the one who allowed the life that Adam and Eve lost, to be bought back via Jesus sacrifice.

They fully honor Jesus and the sacrifice he made BUT they realize that had it not been for Jehovah, none of it could have happened.

Whether or not humans think it was unfair of God to punish everyone for what Adam and Eve did, is unimportant to JW"S. As the Creator of the universe, they feel he has every right to handle things any way he wants.

I might think it was dumb that a god who can do anything, created us so that we need food and air to survive. Why didn't he just create our bodies so we wouldn't need those things or so we didn't feel pain? A JW believes that we have no right to question the way god does things and whether or not we think his ways are fair is unimportant.

They believe that Jesus is important but without Jehovah...there would be no Jesus...no nothing....so they view him as #1 but that doesn't diminish Jesus sacrifice in their eyes.

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Ask yourself why you don't DESERVE "kindness" (A look a the Watchtower's struggle against "Grace."

by Terry in

graceyou won’t find any in the new world translation!no no no.you only find “undeserved kindness.”(ask yourself why you don't deserve kindness.

?isn’t kindness basic decency?

?if you are one of jehovah’s witnesses you have a reason.jehovah’s witnesses are never on firm standing with their god.

Pete Zahut

Time passes.
Truth becomes a banana turning mushy, with gooey spots.
(Old Light).

Changing what is considered the truth is one matter but your original post asserted that Jehovah’s Witnesses use the phrase “ undeserved kindness” to show that we are generally not unworthy of Jehovahs kindness.

I asserted that JWs use the term “undeserved kindness “when they are referring to God providing a way out for mankind via Jesus sacrifice, even though he wasn’t obligated to,

It seems like you’ve gone off topic by bringing up the way they change their teachings from time to time which we all know to be so.

I think your opening post was based on a false assumption about JWs and their use of the phrase undeserved kindness and their views of our worthiness of kindness and love from him.

JWs have a lot of things wrong but let’s be fair. They don’t teach that we aren’t worthy of his love.

There is a mixed message from JWs however that indicates that even though Jehovah loves us , out of fairness to the »obedient »ones, he won’t spare us at Armageddon unless we participate in what they consider to be « worship and service ».

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Kobe Bryant is dead!

by Iamallcool in

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/kobe-bryant-dead-five-time-nba-champion-was-41-report-1272963 .

Pete Zahut

Incredibly tragic occurrence indeed... an amazing athlete for sure but as far as being a role model, wasn’t he charged with sexually assaulting a 19 year old hotel employee. If memory serves, he settled out of court and apologized publicly but it seems like if Joe Shmoe did that, he’d serve time and probably have a hard time ever getting a decent job again. Not the case apparently when you’re a millionaire celebrity. Case in point... M.J.

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Ask yourself why you don't DESERVE "kindness" (A look a the Watchtower's struggle against "Grace."

by Terry in

graceyou won’t find any in the new world translation!no no no.you only find “undeserved kindness.”(ask yourself why you don't deserve kindness.

?isn’t kindness basic decency?

?if you are one of jehovah’s witnesses you have a reason.jehovah’s witnesses are never on firm standing with their god.

Pete Zahut

What you said in your post makes sense but as a JW I always understood that "Jehovah's underserved kindness" had to do with how he made a way out for mankind by sending his Son Jesus to die for our sins, even though he wasn't obligated to.

I never once got the idea that they said that we weren't worthy of Gods kindness only that considering how Adam and Eve went against the arrangement he set up for them, he didn't owe mankind on the whole, a way out of the sin and death we inherited from them. On the contrary, they indicated that we were entirely eligible for his love and encouraged us to pray to him for guidance, help. "Throw your burden on Jehovah...he himself will you sustain" was a major theme in Kingdom songs etc.

To be fair, as far as the endless treadmill of service, what I remember is that spreading his message to others was a way for us to show our appreciation to him for the hope he provided to mankind rather than as a way to earn his love. They indicated that yes it was impossible for us do enough to deserve everlasting life. Instead, we needed to show obedience to him to show our appreciation for the undeserved "way out" he provided to mankind through Jesus. But therein lies the problem...obeying Jehovah meant obeying them and quantifying to them on a time sheet each month, how much we personally appreciated Gods underserved kindness to us.

Many of us ran into problems when the lines became blurred and we lost sight of what we were doing and why we were doin it and who we were doing it for. That is the problem when you are following an organization that has a factory and has a product to put out and is concerned with numbers.

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Do You Believe In Polls?

by minimus in

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when you hear that the polls say.... do you really believe it??.

i think polls can be and often are skewered.

i don’t trust them..

Pete Zahut

I attended a District Convention in Poland once and you couldn't see a thing during the Drama because no matter how good your seats were, you were sitting behind a pole.

Seriously though, I agree. Polls can't be relied upon for any more than a general idea of how a certain cross section of people interprets a particularly worded question.

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racism

by Stealth in

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having been raised as a jw, racism was something that was never promoted.

i now have a 9 year old that has been visiting her biological grandmother and my ex-wife.

it is my child because i adopted her.

Pete Zahut

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racism

by Stealth in

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having been raised as a jw, racism was something that was never promoted.

i now have a 9 year old that has been visiting her biological grandmother and my ex-wife.

it is my child because i adopted her.

Pete Zahut

On the past two, 4 hour visits, our child has come home repeating racist comments from her new husband.

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Sexism: prejudice, discrimination or stereotyping based on the basis on ones gender.

Of what race is the new husband?

Do you like him?

Would your level of annoyance vary depending upon his race or upon how well you liked him as a person?

Would you be less annoyed if the grandmother made that same comment?

I overheard a 30 something woman of color loudly advising her sister not to date anyone but white men. "Latin and Black men think they own you and will cheat on you".That was her opinion apparently based on her life's experience and she was free to say it loudly in a public place without fear of backlash from some virtue signaler who overheard her.

It seems like today, women can make whatever across the board statement about men, however unfair, without being considered a sexist. Similarly, people of color can make unfair comments or jokes about other races without fear of being considered a racist.

I would say that since your wife is in charge of your daughters upbringing while she is in her custody, you can only ask that she do what she can to stem the racist remarks while she is with her and then set a good example for your daughter yourself, the rest of the time.

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"Fine Witness" diluted in latest experience

by neat blue dog in

the latest jwdotorg experience starts very familiarly:.

danielle, one of jehovah’s witnesses in south africa, found a bag that a customer had left behind in a coffee shop.

inside the bag was a wallet with money and credit cards.. when the owner met her to get it back,.

Pete Zahut

Man returns $43,000 found in used thrift store couch.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-man-finds-43000-couch-bought-35/story?id=68369858&cid=social_twitter_abcn&fbclid=IwAR0RsB83_TGI4lRAQneGg9bAfPSAVEq2CYFF3LzHd3G82GEeIMRu99u7vBE

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New Wuhan coronavirus around.....

by mikeflood in

new coronavirus wreaking havoc.....first case detected in the us one hour ago....six deaths already in china.....hope it gets controlled soon.....

Pete Zahut

Remember the Ebola virus a few years ago? From the sound of the news coverage back then, the entire world economy was to be ruined by it because everyone of working age would be sick and or dying.

All I remember is that coverage of Ebola crisis was on the news by the hour until the Bill Cosby scandal hit the news. Then it just went away. Before that, it was the Bird Flu but that went away when Rosanne Barr caused an uproar over the way she sang the National Anthem.

Did these diseases simply disappear and how does the predicted outcome of the Ebola virus and the Bird Flu compare to the present day outbreak we are hearing about?